Comments on: Rachel Maddow vs. Richard Cohen – Interview Review & Missing the Point About Uganda http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/09/rachel-vs-richard-interview-review-missing-the-point-about-uganda/ Welcome! Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:08:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Deb http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/09/rachel-vs-richard-interview-review-missing-the-point-about-uganda/comment-page-1/#comment-5625 Deb Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:38:28 +0000 http://blog.exodusinternational.org/?p=856#comment-5625 Dear Sarah. I will pray for you, too! You know that we all need each other, don't you? God hears your prayers just as loudly as anyone's, so maybe I could ask that you would pray for my daughter, A. who's in a "bi-sexual" relationship right now. You could also pray for her partner, C. if you feel led to. It is encouraging to me that you said your struggle was about confusion, which I believe is my daughter's as well. You are so right that she, in fact we all need to come to understand that no one of either gender can love or care for us like Jesus. Only the Holy Spirit convicting and dysfunctional relationships can prove it to us. This is what I pray for you, A and C. Please feel free to email me anytime at debjdarby@comcast.net. Deb Dear Sarah.
I will pray for you, too! You know that we all need each other, don’t you? God hears your prayers just as loudly as anyone’s, so maybe I could ask that you would pray for my daughter, A. who’s in a “bi-sexual” relationship right now. You could also pray for her partner, C. if you feel led to. It is encouraging to me that you said your struggle was about confusion, which I believe is my daughter’s as well. You are so right that she, in fact we all need to come to understand that no one of either gender can love or care for us like Jesus. Only the Holy Spirit convicting and dysfunctional relationships can prove it to us. This is what I pray for you, A and C. Please feel free to email me anytime at debj...@comcast.net.

Deb

]]> By: Deb http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/09/rachel-vs-richard-interview-review-missing-the-point-about-uganda/comment-page-1/#comment-29114 Deb Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:38:00 +0000 http://blog.exodusinternational.org/?p=856#comment-29114 Dear Sarah. I will pray for you, too! You know that we all need each other, don't you? God hears your prayers just as loudly as anyone's, so maybe I could ask that you would pray for my daughter, A. who's in a "bi-sexual" relationship right now. You could also pray for her partner, C. if you feel led to. It is encouraging to me that you said your struggle was about confusion, which I believe is my daughter's as well. You are so right that she, in fact we all need to come to understand that no one of either gender can love or care for us like Jesus. Only the Holy Spirit convicting and dysfunctional relationships can prove it to us. This is what I pray for you, A and C. Please feel free to email me anytime at debjdarby@comcast.net. Deb Dear Sarah.
I will pray for you, too! You know that we all need each other, don’t you? God hears your prayers just as loudly as anyone’s, so maybe I could ask that you would pray for my daughter, A. who’s in a “bi-sexual” relationship right now. You could also pray for her partner, C. if you feel led to. It is encouraging to me that you said your struggle was about confusion, which I believe is my daughter’s as well. You are so right that she, in fact we all need to come to understand that no one of either gender can love or care for us like Jesus. Only the Holy Spirit convicting and dysfunctional relationships can prove it to us. This is what I pray for you, A and C. Please feel free to email me anytime at debj...@comcast.net.

Deb

]]> By: Jennifer Thorne http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/09/rachel-vs-richard-interview-review-missing-the-point-about-uganda/comment-page-1/#comment-5549 Jennifer Thorne Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:56:35 +0000 http://blog.exodusinternational.org/?p=856#comment-5549 Yes gay identified people do have children. They have them from either their heterosexual relationships prior to moving into the gay life or they occasionally adopt them. In either case the children are legally provided for already. In the case of gay couple adoption, not from the legal standpoint, it is still not marriage. If you have two women, there is one woman (usually biological but also the primary nurturer) who is the mom and the other women is another adult figure but not a 2nd mom. A father is now missing in this situation. The child is being raised in a situation that is not the best for them. If you have two men then one becomes the father and the other man is another adult figure but not the mother. No matter how much you may want two people of the same sex to become the mom and dad, it is not possible. Children will not bond to two people of the same sex as if they are mom and dad. Children are just not wired that way. In either case there is a huge deficit for the child. The same sex household becomes like a single parent household with another adult to help with the duties of the house. The question here is, is it marriage? It is not. It is a coupling, not a marriage. While I understand a persons desire to have and raise children, having raised (ing) five of my own, it is naive to move towards having children without looking at what is best for them. It is amazingly difficult to raise children with a man and woman who are committed to each other and the raising of their children. There is no other commitment that a person will make that will last as long or be as difficult and challenging as the raising of their children. Yes single people do raise well adjusted children who can function well society. They are the exception and not the rule. Even two people in a marriage who are not committed to one another and the raising of the children have much less success raising their children to function well in society. It is well established by many ways and means that the best environment to raise children in is the basic family unit with a mom and a dad committed to one another and the raising of their children. Yes gay identified people do have children. They have them from either their heterosexual relationships prior to moving into the gay life or they occasionally adopt them. In either case the children are legally provided for already.

In the case of gay couple adoption, not from the legal standpoint, it is still not marriage. If you have two women, there is one woman (usually biological but also the primary nurturer) who is the mom and the other women is another adult figure but not a 2nd mom. A father is now missing in this situation. The child is being raised in a situation that is not the best for them.

If you have two men then one becomes the father and the other man is another adult figure but not the mother. No matter how much you may want two people of the same sex to become the mom and dad, it is not possible. Children will not bond to two people of the same sex as if they are mom and dad. Children are just not wired that way. In either case there is a huge deficit for the child. The same sex household becomes like a single parent household with another adult to help with the duties of the house.

The question here is, is it marriage? It is not. It is a coupling, not a marriage. While I understand a persons desire to have and raise children, having raised (ing) five of my own, it is naive to move towards having children without looking at what is best for them. It is amazingly difficult to raise children with a man and woman who are committed to each other and the raising of their children. There is no other commitment that a person will make that will last as long or be as difficult and challenging as the raising of their children.

Yes single people do raise well adjusted children who can function well society. They are the exception and not the rule. Even two people in a marriage who are not committed to one another and the raising of the children have much less success raising their children to function well in society. It is well established by many ways and means that the best environment to raise children in is the basic family unit with a mom and a dad committed to one another and the raising of their children.

]]> By: Jennifer Thorne http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/09/rachel-vs-richard-interview-review-missing-the-point-about-uganda/comment-page-1/#comment-29113 Jennifer Thorne Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:56:00 +0000 http://blog.exodusinternational.org/?p=856#comment-29113 Yes gay identified people do have children. They have them from either their heterosexual relationships prior to moving into the gay life or they occasionally adopt them. In either case the children are legally provided for already. In the case of gay couple adoption, not from the legal standpoint, it is still not marriage. If you have two women, there is one woman (usually biological but also the primary nurturer) who is the mom and the other women is another adult figure but not a 2nd mom. A father is now missing in this situation. The child is being raised in a situation that is not the best for them. If you have two men then one becomes the father and the other man is another adult figure but not the mother. No matter how much you may want two people of the same sex to become the mom and dad, it is not possible. Children will not bond to two people of the same sex as if they are mom and dad. Children are just not wired that way. In either case there is a huge deficit for the child. The same sex household becomes like a single parent household with another adult to help with the duties of the house. The question here is, is it marriage? It is not. It is a coupling, not a marriage. While I understand a persons desire to have and raise children, having raised (ing) five of my own, it is naive to move towards having children without looking at what is best for them. It is amazingly difficult to raise children with a man and woman who are committed to each other and the raising of their children. There is no other commitment that a person will make that will last as long or be as difficult and challenging as the raising of their children. Yes single people do raise well adjusted children who can function well society. They are the exception and not the rule. Even two people in a marriage who are not committed to one another and the raising of the children have much less success raising their children to function well in society. It is well established by many ways and means that the best environment to raise children in is the basic family unit with a mom and a dad committed to one another and the raising of their children. Yes gay identified people do have children. They have them from either their heterosexual relationships prior to moving into the gay life or they occasionally adopt them. In either case the children are legally provided for already.

In the case of gay couple adoption, not from the legal standpoint, it is still not marriage. If you have two women, there is one woman (usually biological but also the primary nurturer) who is the mom and the other women is another adult figure but not a 2nd mom. A father is now missing in this situation. The child is being raised in a situation that is not the best for them.

If you have two men then one becomes the father and the other man is another adult figure but not the mother. No matter how much you may want two people of the same sex to become the mom and dad, it is not possible. Children will not bond to two people of the same sex as if they are mom and dad. Children are just not wired that way. In either case there is a huge deficit for the child. The same sex household becomes like a single parent household with another adult to help with the duties of the house.

The question here is, is it marriage? It is not. It is a coupling, not a marriage. While I understand a persons desire to have and raise children, having raised (ing) five of my own, it is naive to move towards having children without looking at what is best for them. It is amazingly difficult to raise children with a man and woman who are committed to each other and the raising of their children. There is no other commitment that a person will make that will last as long or be as difficult and challenging as the raising of their children.

Yes single people do raise well adjusted children who can function well society. They are the exception and not the rule. Even two people in a marriage who are not committed to one another and the raising of the children have much less success raising their children to function well in society. It is well established by many ways and means that the best environment to raise children in is the basic family unit with a mom and a dad committed to one another and the raising of their children.

]]> By: Sarah http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/09/rachel-vs-richard-interview-review-missing-the-point-about-uganda/comment-page-1/#comment-5530 Sarah Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:24:16 +0000 http://blog.exodusinternational.org/?p=856#comment-5530 I believe the journey of walking out of homosexuality starts by the conviction of the Holy Spirit in our lives and then a growing desire for more of God then to embrace a lesbian or gay relationship. Certainly it was more to do with being confused then it was about enjoying the sin in my life. I actually didn't enjoy sin and that in part is what drew me closer to God. I grew up in a small town, surrounded by the Christian Community and spent most of my life in the church and my relationship with Jesus that remained even in my darkest of times is what drew me closer to God and away from the gay community. And my problems were and never were rooted in my enjoyment of sin but that said, I found something you said really encouraging .. "I Love each and every one of you and I pray fervently that you will learn to trust in God that He can and will keep you on a \straight\ and narrow path, if you ask. It will be worth it He promises." --Lisa, pray for me! Sometimes I could use more people praying for me. I believe the journey of walking out of homosexuality starts by the conviction of the Holy Spirit in our lives and then a growing desire for more of God then to embrace a lesbian or gay relationship. Certainly it was more to do with being confused then it was about enjoying the sin in my life. I actually didn’t enjoy sin and that in part is what drew me closer to God. I grew up in a small town, surrounded by the Christian Community and spent most of my life in the church and my relationship with Jesus that remained even in my darkest of times is what drew me closer to God and away from the gay community. And my problems were and never were rooted in my enjoyment of sin but that said, I found something you said really encouraging .. “I Love each and every one of you and I pray fervently that you will learn to trust in God that He can and will keep you on a \straight\ and narrow path, if you ask. It will be worth it He promises.” –Lisa, pray for me! Sometimes I could use more people praying for me.

]]> By: Sarah http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/09/rachel-vs-richard-interview-review-missing-the-point-about-uganda/comment-page-1/#comment-29112 Sarah Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:24:00 +0000 http://blog.exodusinternational.org/?p=856#comment-29112 I believe the journey of walking out of homosexuality starts by the conviction of the Holy Spirit in our lives and then a growing desire for more of God then to embrace a lesbian or gay relationship. Certainly it was more to do with being confused then it was about enjoying the sin in my life. I actually didn't enjoy sin and that in part is what drew me closer to God. I grew up in a small town, surrounded by the Christian Community and spent most of my life in the church and my relationship with Jesus that remained even in my darkest of times is what drew me closer to God and away from the gay community. And my problems were and never were rooted in my enjoyment of sin but that said, I found something you said really encouraging .. "I Love each and every one of you and I pray fervently that you will learn to trust in God that He can and will keep you on a straight and narrow path, if you ask. It will be worth it He promises." --Lisa, pray for me! Sometimes I could use more people praying for me. I believe the journey of walking out of homosexuality starts by the conviction of the Holy Spirit in our lives and then a growing desire for more of God then to embrace a lesbian or gay relationship. Certainly it was more to do with being confused then it was about enjoying the sin in my life. I actually didn’t enjoy sin and that in part is what drew me closer to God. I grew up in a small town, surrounded by the Christian Community and spent most of my life in the church and my relationship with Jesus that remained even in my darkest of times is what drew me closer to God and away from the gay community. And my problems were and never were rooted in my enjoyment of sin but that said, I found something you said really encouraging .. “I Love each and every one of you and I pray fervently that you will learn to trust in God that He can and will keep you on a straight and narrow path, if you ask. It will be worth it He promises.” –Lisa, pray for me! Sometimes I could use more people praying for me.

]]> By: Pianomankugie http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/09/rachel-vs-richard-interview-review-missing-the-point-about-uganda/comment-page-1/#comment-5510 Pianomankugie Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:36:44 +0000 http://blog.exodusinternational.org/?p=856#comment-5510 Lisa, please forgive my skepticism, but if your story is true, although I cannot sympathize because I don't have any children, I can imagine what it might feel like to hear such unexpected news. I guess all I can say is that I believe it is safe to entrust them to God, and hope you believe so as well. I am sure you know that some prayers are answered many many years later, in His time, not ours. One person has said God will use whatever it takes to bring people to Himself....I'm still not comfortable with that word whatever. But I love the part about Him bringing people to Himself! Lisa, please forgive my skepticism, but if your story is true, although I cannot sympathize because I don’t have any children, I can imagine what it might feel like to hear such unexpected news. I guess all I can say is that I believe it is safe to entrust them to God, and hope you believe so as well. I am sure you know that some prayers are answered many many years later, in His time, not ours. One person has said God will use whatever it takes to bring people to Himself….I’m still not comfortable with that word whatever. But I love the part about Him bringing people to Himself!

]]> By: Pianomankugie http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/09/rachel-vs-richard-interview-review-missing-the-point-about-uganda/comment-page-1/#comment-29111 Pianomankugie Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:36:00 +0000 http://blog.exodusinternational.org/?p=856#comment-29111 Lisa, please forgive my skepticism, but if your story is true, although I cannot sympathize because I don't have any children, I can imagine what it might feel like to hear such unexpected news. I guess all I can say is that I believe it is safe to entrust them to God, and hope you believe so as well. I am sure you know that some prayers are answered many many years later, in His time, not ours. One person has said God will use whatever it takes to bring people to Himself....I'm still not comfortable with that word whatever. But I love the part about Him bringing people to Himself! Lisa, please forgive my skepticism, but if your story is true, although I cannot sympathize because I don’t have any children, I can imagine what it might feel like to hear such unexpected news. I guess all I can say is that I believe it is safe to entrust them to God, and hope you believe so as well. I am sure you know that some prayers are answered many many years later, in His time, not ours. One person has said God will use whatever it takes to bring people to Himself….I’m still not comfortable with that word whatever. But I love the part about Him bringing people to Himself!

]]> By: Lisa L. http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/09/rachel-vs-richard-interview-review-missing-the-point-about-uganda/comment-page-1/#comment-5498 Lisa L. Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:26:15 +0000 http://blog.exodusinternational.org/?p=856#comment-5498 This has been a great discussion to hear from both sides. I'm a mom who has learned that her three older children have same sex attractions. I am devastated and in tears writing this. I have raised them in the Christian faith, but have had a husband who has struggled with many wordly addictions. I'm not perfect as I've had to \deal\ with my dysfunctional family. I have to say being brought up to believe that homosexuality is wrong and literally disgusting doesn't make this new road I'm on very easy. But I know God is my strength as He led me to attend a Love Won Out conference. It has helped me to love people as God's children and that this is a \sin\ as any other such as fornication, adultery, addictions, etc. I was a deviant sinner myself before I came to Christ. So, I'm not better nor superior than any drug addict, alcoholic, homosexual or otherwise. I love my children and treat them with respect. They in turn respect me and do not openly flaunt their lifestyles in front of me. I understand that when we're sinning we're in darkness and we do not like when the light exposes us. This is why some of you who have commented are so angry and want to be accepted as \normal\. Your darkness is being exposed. But please understand, it is only because some of us have found the truth that God has such a better plan for you! He has something much more enjoyable for you then your same sex attraction. Its true! I know its hard to believe it right now because lets face it, sin is enjoyable. If it wasn't we would never have these problems. Also know that the sin we selfishly indulge in hurts other people in our lives! Please forgive me as I'm a mother venting right now. I Love each and every one of you and I pray fervently that you will learn to trust in God that He can and will keep you on a \straight\ and narrow path, if you ask. It will be worth it He promises. This has been a great discussion to hear from both sides. I’m a mom who has learned that her three older children have same sex attractions. I am devastated and in tears writing this. I have raised them in the Christian faith, but have had a husband who has struggled with many wordly addictions. I’m not perfect as I’ve had to \deal\ with my dysfunctional family. I have to say being brought up to believe that homosexuality is wrong and literally disgusting doesn’t make this new road I’m on very easy. But I know God is my strength as He led me to attend a Love Won Out conference. It has helped me to love people as God’s children and that this is a \sin\ as any other such as fornication, adultery, addictions, etc. I was a deviant sinner myself before I came to Christ. So, I’m not better nor superior than any drug addict, alcoholic, homosexual or otherwise. I love my children and treat them with respect. They in turn respect me and do not openly flaunt their lifestyles in front of me. I understand that when we’re sinning we’re in darkness and we do not like when the light exposes us. This is why some of you who have commented are so angry and want to be accepted as \normal\. Your darkness is being exposed. But please understand, it is only because some of us have found the truth that God has such a better plan for you! He has something much more enjoyable for you then your same sex attraction. Its true! I know its hard to believe it right now because lets face it, sin is enjoyable. If it wasn’t we would never have these problems. Also know that the sin we selfishly indulge in hurts other people in our lives! Please forgive me as I’m a mother venting right now. I Love each and every one of you and I pray fervently that you will learn to trust in God that He can and will keep you on a \straight\ and narrow path, if you ask. It will be worth it He promises.

]]> By: Lisa L. http://blog.exodusinternational.org/2009/12/09/rachel-vs-richard-interview-review-missing-the-point-about-uganda/comment-page-1/#comment-29110 Lisa L. Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:26:00 +0000 http://blog.exodusinternational.org/?p=856#comment-29110 This has been a great discussion to hear from both sides. I'm a mom who has learned that her three older children have same sex attractions. I am devastated and in tears writing this. I have raised them in the Christian faith, but have had a husband who has struggled with many wordly addictions. I'm not perfect as I've had to deal with my dysfunctional family. I have to say being brought up to believe that homosexuality is wrong and literally disgusting doesn't make this new road I'm on very easy. But I know God is my strength as He led me to attend a Love Won Out conference. It has helped me to love people as God's children and that this is a sin as any other such as fornication, adultery, addictions, etc. I was a deviant sinner myself before I came to Christ. So, I'm not better nor superior than any drug addict, alcoholic, homosexual or otherwise. I love my children and treat them with respect. They in turn respect me and do not openly flaunt their lifestyles in front of me. I understand that when we're sinning we're in darkness and we do not like when the light exposes us. This is why some of you who have commented are so angry and want to be accepted as normal. Your darkness is being exposed. But please understand, it is only because some of us have found the truth that God has such a better plan for you! He has something much more enjoyable for you then your same sex attraction. Its true! I know its hard to believe it right now because lets face it, sin is enjoyable. If it wasn't we would never have these problems. Also know that the sin we selfishly indulge in hurts other people in our lives! Please forgive me as I'm a mother venting right now. I Love each and every one of you and I pray fervently that you will learn to trust in God that He can and will keep you on a straight and narrow path, if you ask. It will be worth it He promises. This has been a great discussion to hear from both sides. I’m a mom who has learned that her three older children have same sex attractions. I am devastated and in tears writing this. I have raised them in the Christian faith, but have had a husband who has struggled with many wordly addictions. I’m not perfect as I’ve had to deal with my dysfunctional family. I have to say being brought up to believe that homosexuality is wrong and literally disgusting doesn’t make this new road I’m on very easy. But I know God is my strength as He led me to attend a Love Won Out conference. It has helped me to love people as God’s children and that this is a sin as any other such as fornication, adultery, addictions, etc. I was a deviant sinner myself before I came to Christ. So, I’m not better nor superior than any drug addict, alcoholic, homosexual or otherwise. I love my children and treat them with respect. They in turn respect me and do not openly flaunt their lifestyles in front of me. I understand that when we’re sinning we’re in darkness and we do not like when the light exposes us. This is why some of you who have commented are so angry and want to be accepted as normal. Your darkness is being exposed. But please understand, it is only because some of us have found the truth that God has such a better plan for you! He has something much more enjoyable for you then your same sex attraction. Its true! I know its hard to believe it right now because lets face it, sin is enjoyable. If it wasn’t we would never have these problems. Also know that the sin we selfishly indulge in hurts other people in our lives! Please forgive me as I’m a mother venting right now. I Love each and every one of you and I pray fervently that you will learn to trust in God that He can and will keep you on a straight and narrow path, if you ask. It will be worth it He promises.

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