Because, given the organizations like Truth Wins Out that you endorse and support and their positions, it certainly isn’t God.

http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/05/8855/

Actually, Bob, most “reasonable” people, if we’re using the word with a respect for its root word, “reason,” agree that there is no evidence for God’s existence, and thus no rational REASON to believe that any god or gods have determined ANYTHING, much less morality.

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 27, 2010 @ 7:13 pm

Hahahahaha, um. Dude. Seriously? No one in the history of the universe has ever been able to prove that the idea of “gods,” which have always been used to control populations, ever existed. It’s a ridiculous idea, created by uneducated nomads from thousands of years ago.

GROW UP>

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 29, 2010 @ 4:13 am

They all rank “10″ because they’re all retarded and none of them can be proven by any human who’s ever lived.

God, your questions are really stupid.

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 29, 2010 @ 4:29 am

Bob. That means your god is a weak minded little bitch who changes his mind and is definitely NOT eternal or omnipotent. He’s merely a reflection of humanity’s most disgusting instincts.

Grow the hell up.

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:20 am

Of COURSE, their idea of god is as a serial rapist. Fundamentalist religious people ARE essentially battered wives. They just act it out on a grander scale without such visible bruises. The really screwed up thing is that their abuser is an imaginary friend.

But it’s a rapist just the same.

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:22 am

Ben, everything you said was spot on. Bob’s idea of “god” is a moral reprobate, and a child at that. I wouldn’t worship a sniveling ass like that if you paid me.

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:25 am

Please note that “Evan Hurst” is not merely a commenter; he is one of the primary authors of the blog and is certainly considered to be a representative of Truth Wins Out and its worldview. His views are supported and endorsed by David Roberts, Timothy Kincaid, Jim Burroway, and others who have posted here in addition to Michael Bussee.

When one realizes that Michael Bussee endorses and supports such antireligious hatred and contempt for Christians, and actively works with organizations that do and repeat these type of statements, his own motivations for his behavior become far clearer.

Because, given the organizations like Truth Wins Out that you endorse and support and their positions, it certainly isn’t God.

http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/05/8855/

Actually, Bob, most “reasonable” people, if we’re using the word with a respect for its root word, “reason,” agree that there is no evidence for God’s existence, and thus no rational REASON to believe that any god or gods have determined ANYTHING, much less morality.

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 27, 2010 @ 7:13 pm

Hahahahaha, um. Dude. Seriously? No one in the history of the universe has ever been able to prove that the idea of “gods,” which have always been used to control populations, ever existed. It’s a ridiculous idea, created by uneducated nomads from thousands of years ago.

GROW UP>

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 29, 2010 @ 4:13 am

They all rank “10″ because they’re all retarded and none of them can be proven by any human who’s ever lived.

God, your questions are really stupid.

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 29, 2010 @ 4:29 am

Bob. That means your god is a weak minded little bitch who changes his mind and is definitely NOT eternal or omnipotent. He’s merely a reflection of humanity’s most disgusting instincts.

Grow the hell up.

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:20 am

Of COURSE, their idea of god is as a serial rapist. Fundamentalist religious people ARE essentially battered wives. They just act it out on a grander scale without such visible bruises. The really screwed up thing is that their abuser is an imaginary friend.

But it’s a rapist just the same.

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:22 am

Ben, everything you said was spot on. Bob’s idea of “god” is a moral reprobate, and a child at that. I wouldn’t worship a sniveling ass like that if you paid me.

Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:25 am

Please note that “Evan Hurst” is not merely a commenter; he is one of the primary authors of the blog and is certainly considered to be a representative of Truth Wins Out and its worldview. His views are supported and endorsed by David Roberts, Timothy Kincaid, Jim Burroway, and others who have posted here in addition to Michael Bussee.

When one realizes that Michael Bussee endorses and supports such antireligious hatred and contempt for Christians, and actively works with organizations that do and repeat these type of statements, his own motivations for his behavior become far clearer.

I have to ask why is it so hard for so many of us in the church to apologize for wrongs or even representation of wrongs that have occurred. Look at the Catholic Church and the abuse scandal due much to their man made law of celibacy for the priests. Rick Warrens slow response to the law in Uganda (and he has huge favor with pastors and government leaders) and now the pastors there are saying he is bucking into political pressure in the states. And Exodus not owning up to the participation and then stonewalling on what is it’s policy and beliefs are. We as Christians really should be at the forefront not only of transparency and seeking forgiveness when any harm could or has occurred, but we should be torchbearers to truth and when erroneous laws and lies are trying to be displayed as truth condemn it.

I have to ask why is it so hard for so many of us in the church to apologize for wrongs or even representation of wrongs that have occurred. Look at the Catholic Church and the abuse scandal due much to their man made law of celibacy for the priests. Rick Warrens slow response to the law in Uganda (and he has huge favor with pastors and government leaders) and now the pastors there are saying he is bucking into political pressure in the states. And Exodus not owning up to the participation and then stonewalling on what is it’s policy and beliefs are. We as Christians really should be at the forefront not only of transparency and seeking forgiveness when any harm could or has occurred, but we should be torchbearers to truth and when erroneous laws and lies are trying to be displayed as truth condemn it.

I think you make an excellent point when you say that the founders of Exodus did not adopt and post Official Policies against Sodomy laws in the mid 1970′s. I take full blame for that. In retrospect, we really should have posted a clear Anti-Criminalization Policy way back then. Having done that, you might not be cleaning up our mess now — 30 years later. It would have been Exodus policy for 30 years.

Of course, times were different then. In fact, I am pretty sure that the all of the Founders of Exodus were pretty much oblivious to the Sodomy laws that were still on the books in some states. We should have been better educated. That said, I can’t recall the USA calling for executions, life imprisonment or forced “treatment” in the early days of Exodus.

Gay Rights and Civil iIghts organizations were actively fighting for their repeal — and I am sure all of the Founders thought they should be repealed. We were all against Criminalization. Had anyone been pushing for such things — and if one of our Board Members had attended a conference that supported it — I am very confident that we would have clearly stated our position as Official Policy without delay.

As I said, we should have done it anyway. As I recall, you were lamenting the end of Sodomy Laws in the USA only a few years ago:

“As a result of today’s ruling, young people will be led into further confusion. Alan chambers states, “Our young people are not going to grow up under the same teachings about morality that we did. The school books will simply state that homosexuality was legitimized by the Supreme Court on June 26, 2003.”

I any event, you have now made Exodus’ position clear. There seems to have been an evolution in your thinking about these matters — as well as an evolution in Exodus’ thinking about terms like “ex-gay” and what “change” really mean. These are steps in the right direction — and you deserve credit for making them, for whatever the reason.

I think you make an excellent point when you say that the founders of Exodus did not adopt and post Official Policies against Sodomy laws in the mid 1970′s. I take full blame for that. In retrospect, we really should have posted a clear Anti-Criminalization Policy way back then. Having done that, you might not be cleaning up our mess now — 30 years later. It would have been Exodus policy for 30 years.

Of course, times were different then. In fact, I am pretty sure that the all of the Founders of Exodus were pretty much oblivious to the Sodomy laws that were still on the books in some states. We should have been better educated. That said, I can’t recall the USA calling for executions, life imprisonment or forced “treatment” in the early days of Exodus.

Gay Rights and Civil iIghts organizations were actively fighting for their repeal — and I am sure all of the Founders thought they should be repealed. We were all against Criminalization. Had anyone been pushing for such things — and if one of our Board Members had attended a conference that supported it — I am very confident that we would have clearly stated our position as Official Policy without delay.

As I said, we should have done it anyway. As I recall, you were lamenting the end of Sodomy Laws in the USA only a few years ago:

“As a result of today’s ruling, young people will be led into further confusion. Alan chambers states, “Our young people are not going to grow up under the same teachings about morality that we did. The school books will simply state that homosexuality was legitimized by the Supreme Court on June 26, 2003.”

I any event, you have now made Exodus’ position clear. There seems to have been an evolution in your thinking about these matters — as well as an evolution in Exodus’ thinking about terms like “ex-gay” and what “change” really mean. These are steps in the right direction — and you deserve credit for making them, for whatever the reason.