For the larger part of your post, I want to make sure I’m understanding it correctly. Basically straight married couples have anal/oral sex and this is just as sinful as homosexual sex? Only it’s never really talked about or acknowledged in church communities and addressed as being sinful? I’m not Christian and my boyfriend is a “liberal” Catholic, so that line of thinking is very foreign to me. Does this mean if straight married couples engage in anal/oral sex and don’t repent they are probably going to hell? I am very interested in your thoughts on this. Thanks!

For the larger part of your post, I want to make sure I’m understanding it correctly. Basically straight married couples have anal/oral sex and this is just as sinful as homosexual sex? Only it’s never really talked about or acknowledged in church communities and addressed as being sinful? I’m not Christian and my boyfriend is a “liberal” Catholic, so that line of thinking is very foreign to me. Does this mean if straight married couples engage in anal/oral sex and don’t repent they are probably going to hell? I am very interested in your thoughts on this. Thanks!

Not sure where that insight comes from, theologically speaking. It seems that God overlooked a huge swath of history and cultures, given that many women have not been and are not even now free to divorce unloving or even abusive husbands in some parts of the world. But this is another digression and I don’t really wish to be nitpicking.

You are right, Kristen, in that we ought to be “in the trenches” with one another in the Church. Historically, we have failed one another miserably. We invent nonbiblical traditions and turn our backs on those we believe we cannot love because of their “otherness.”

Randy’s post prior to this one (in which he talks about his journey over the past 18 years) really nails it. He emphasizes placing Christ first. We cannot fail each other when we do that. We are not to focus on human needs above knowing and loving Christ. We can trust him to direct us to where and how we ought to be. But it all hinges, again, as he has said here, on submitting to his authority. There is unfathomable peace and order in that.

Not sure where that insight comes from, theologically speaking. It seems that God overlooked a huge swath of history and cultures, given that many women have not been and are not even now free to divorce unloving or even abusive husbands in some parts of the world. But this is another digression and I don’t really wish to be nitpicking.

You are right, Kristen, in that we ought to be “in the trenches” with one another in the Church. Historically, we have failed one another miserably. We invent nonbiblical traditions and turn our backs on those we believe we cannot love because of their “otherness.”

Randy’s post prior to this one (in which he talks about his journey over the past 18 years) really nails it. He emphasizes placing Christ first. We cannot fail each other when we do that. We are not to focus on human needs above knowing and loving Christ. We can trust him to direct us to where and how we ought to be. But it all hinges, again, as he has said here, on submitting to his authority. There is unfathomable peace and order in that.

I cut and paste this from another post I commented on, and I think this particular comment I made before is appropriate for this particular post. I’m going to get a bit graphic because I’m going voice getting real on the core of the double standards that is occurring within many churches. Not all of them. So, getting back to the original topic on what is going on in the Lutheran Church in San Francisco. I want to point out that many Christians express homosexual sex acts are thee pinnacle of debauchery, and are contrary to nature and God’s plan. Also, to act out homosexual sexuality isn’t acceptable as a Christian and not acceptable for church leaders to live this lifestyle. However, many ministers now believe that the Song of Solomon is a description of sex positions for heterosexual married Christians. They claim that anal and oral sex is described in detail within the Song of Solomon, and that it’s purely acceptable as long as this is within the boundary of marriage. No hold’s barred within Christian marriage. Now, this is completely hypocritical because they claim how sodomy is so disgusting and against nature, yet many mimic those very sex acts. So how can they point the finger at other people when again, many are doing the same thing? Those people say, the difference is that its practice between two people who are of the opposite sex. I asked my dad about this who is a brilliant Bible theologian to the point that he found a mathematical code within the Bible dealing with prophecy. He studied Hebrew and speaks it fluently, He knows the Bible like the back of his hand. He studies everyday studiously, and teaches within his congregation. He is planning on writing a book. Also, he dissected revelation and knows revelation like the back of his hand. The Lord revealed many, many astounding things to him He never takes credit for anything because my father puts things in perspective, and always says it’s the Lord working through me, and I’m just his servant. He is right because it isn’t him, but the Holy Spirit. Anyway, so I asked him if this makes any sense to him when the Bible states that these sex acts are obviously contrary to nature, and are considered perverted. Yet, it isn’t considered disgusting when two people who are heterosexual, and married do the same thing. He said, that isn’t remotely what the Song of Solomon is about nor trying to convey. My dad was shocked how some so- called Christians, not all, misread or take the Song of Solomon out of context to justify their sinful ways. He totally agrees with me that it is hypocritical, unfair, and twisted. Again, so this is acceptable within a Christian marriage because the two people who are involved are a man and a woman verses a couple who are of the same sex. I scratch my head on this one. My point is when Christians are mimicking sin, and mimicking the very same sinful acts that they judge the world on, you better practice what you preach. I’m not agreeing with what is going on with the Lutheran Church. What I’m saying is Christians sin too, but the difference is we are supposed to recognize that is sin and repent of the sin. You are not supposed to be like the world, but live a clean Biblical life and try to set an example for others that there is a difference between you and the world. However, when Christians try to mimic sexuality contrary to nature, and to the Bible by justifying it by contorting the Song of Solomon really means you better get your act together. We are all human and we are not perfect. But when there are those who try to justify various sins that they are acting out as acceptable to God because they are heterosexual and married, I’m sorry but this is nonsense. That doesn’t give you the right to be no holds barred, and let your carnal thoughts run freely. Sin is sin and all sin isn’t acceptable with Christ. He strives for us to live a wholesome life, but he knows we can’t be totally perfect.

I cut and paste this from another post I commented on, and I think this particular comment I made before is appropriate for this particular post. I’m going to get a bit graphic because I’m going voice getting real on the core of the double standards that is occurring within many churches. Not all of them. So, getting back to the original topic on what is going on in the Lutheran Church in San Francisco. I want to point out that many Christians express homosexual sex acts are thee pinnacle of debauchery, and are contrary to nature and God’s plan. Also, to act out homosexual sexuality isn’t acceptable as a Christian and not acceptable for church leaders to live this lifestyle. However, many ministers now believe that the Song of Solomon is a description of sex positions for heterosexual married Christians. They claim that anal and oral sex is described in detail within the Song of Solomon, and that it’s purely acceptable as long as this is within the boundary of marriage. No hold’s barred within Christian marriage. Now, this is completely hypocritical because they claim how sodomy is so disgusting and against nature, yet many mimic those very sex acts. So how can they point the finger at other people when again, many are doing the same thing? Those people say, the difference is that its practice between two people who are of the opposite sex. I asked my dad about this who is a brilliant Bible theologian to the point that he found a mathematical code within the Bible dealing with prophecy. He studied Hebrew and speaks it fluently, He knows the Bible like the back of his hand. He studies everyday studiously, and teaches within his congregation. He is planning on writing a book. Also, he dissected revelation and knows revelation like the back of his hand. The Lord revealed many, many astounding things to him He never takes credit for anything because my father puts things in perspective, and always says it’s the Lord working through me, and I’m just his servant. He is right because it isn’t him, but the Holy Spirit. Anyway, so I asked him if this makes any sense to him when the Bible states that these sex acts are obviously contrary to nature, and are considered perverted. Yet, it isn’t considered disgusting when two people who are heterosexual, and married do the same thing. He said, that isn’t remotely what the Song of Solomon is about nor trying to convey. My dad was shocked how some so- called Christians, not all, misread or take the Song of Solomon out of context to justify their sinful ways. He totally agrees with me that it is hypocritical, unfair, and twisted. Again, so this is acceptable within a Christian marriage because the two people who are involved are a man and a woman verses a couple who are of the same sex. I scratch my head on this one. My point is when Christians are mimicking sin, and mimicking the very same sinful acts that they judge the world on, you better practice what you preach. I’m not agreeing with what is going on with the Lutheran Church. What I’m saying is Christians sin too, but the difference is we are supposed to recognize that is sin and repent of the sin. You are not supposed to be like the world, but live a clean Biblical life and try to set an example for others that there is a difference between you and the world. However, when Christians try to mimic sexuality contrary to nature, and to the Bible by justifying it by contorting the Song of Solomon really means you better get your act together. We are all human and we are not perfect. But when there are those who try to justify various sins that they are acting out as acceptable to God because they are heterosexual and married, I’m sorry but this is nonsense. That doesn’t give you the right to be no holds barred, and let your carnal thoughts run freely. Sin is sin and all sin isn’t acceptable with Christ. He strives for us to live a wholesome life, but he knows we can’t be totally perfect.